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NYT: John McCain has unveiled a new television ad claiming that Barack Obama favors "comprehensive sex education" for kindergarten students. That seriously distorts the record.
Ad on sex education distorts Obama policy
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Lies are all the mccain camp has - they certainly don't want to talk about how they have no ideas, no solutions and have been taking the country in the wrong direction.
Mr. Miller - you are incorrect on his salary as a community organizer - just because you spew it doesn't make it true. I guess you went to the McCain Palin school of fact skewing. If you would have accurately done your research you would have found that Obama was paid $10,000 a year for his service as a community organizer.
Please explain to us all why ms palin has been hiding from the media and McCain can't seem to discuss his primary issue Iraq or any of the other issues of concern to average Americans. It's obvious you haven't been paying attention as Obama has been discussing the issue of education among others on his campaign stops this week.
Yep, you're a graduate student of the Mccain school of distortion - their motto is if you can't come up with facts, make stuff up.
You're right Mr. Miller - the tide is turning and the dirts all landing on mcain and palin.
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Your post sounds like you are angry and bitter to me. The issues are being discussed to some degree. Did you happen to see the article in the Wall Street Journal, dated September 9, 2008, titled Obama Tax 3.0. It is an article about the issues. Basically it talks about Barak Obama's 3rd revision of his tax plan as he finally figured out that if you raise taxes in a weak economy you will make things worst. That is basic Economics 101. Therefore, you do not hear him talking about raising taxes anymore - he has moved on to Education.
Obama is disjointed and does not seem to know what he stands for. His version of his stance on the issues is distorted and incomplete which creates problems. It doesn't stand the test of scrutiny. Just like the above example on taxes - he was wrong. Just like his judgement on the Russia/Georgia issue - first two takes on it were wrong - he finally got it right on the third try.
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here's a question Karen. Where does McCain stand on the issue of education for inner-city students who won't benefit from his "competition theory"?
I know, but I doubt you do, with all your focusing on the "issues",
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Karen:
It's better to be clueless than to be solidly for continuing policies that are sucking the nation dry when it comes to money like Iraq and that would be your politicians: Bush and McCain. It's kind of like that saying about it's best to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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Karen:
Just like his judgement on the Russia/Georgia issue
One other thing: should someone that cannot spell judgment be in a position to say that someone else's is bad?
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1. The spelling mistake issue is petty. 2.) My understanding is there is already a time-line for the pullout of Iraq. and 3.) McCain is going to reform government and cut the spending. 4.) I don't understand why everyone tries to tie Bush and McCain together. From my observations over the years - McCain does not particularly even like Bush and disagrees with him on many issues. Does he agree on some of them - yes - both have some common ideology as they are both Republicans just like Obama and Jimmy Carter. But is a logical argument that Obama and Jimmy Carter have the same views, ideas, character, and handles things the same? No. That would be ridiculous and if I made those kind of statements, no one would respect or listen to what else I had to say.
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Karen:
1. The spelling mistake issue is petty.
That's true. It was a turn of phrase that I pointed out because I found it to be ironic.
2.) My understanding is there is already a time-line for the pullout of Iraq.
One that can be renegotiated or unilaterally changed by the next president as he sees fit. Obama has made it clear he wants to pull all troops except for those combating al Qaeda out by the end of 16 months while McCain has not clearly said numbers but has said that he will pursue victory in Iraq and that his view of Iraq is that it will be an ally where troops stay indefinitely like South Korea. We have 37,500 troops in South Korea as of 2004, 51 years after the Korean War ended. Directly after the war ended we had 326,863 troops there, during the 60's and 70's we had between 50K-60K and then in the 1980's was when we got to this neighborhood of troop numbers. Source If South Korea is McCain's model for Iraq we will have a pretty significant number there for a long time since 50 years down the road we still have almost 40K in South Korea.
3.) McCain is going to reform government and cut the spending.
Don't count on it. Bush promised to do that and he didn't even though his party had control of Congress and he could have it pass whatever he wanted. McCain will be facing an extremely hostile Congress after the 8 years of policies and humiliation that Bush foisted onto Democrats.
4.) I don't understand why everyone tries to tie Bush and McCain together.
Because McCain voted with Bush on average 90% of the time and McCain hugged Bush and endorsed him after Bush told all of South Carolina during the 2000 primary that McCain's dark-skinned Asian adopted child was actually the biracial result of an affair that McCain had with a black woman. If a man will reconcile with another man after something like that, there must be a strong bond between them and that bond was the Republican Party.
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We have 37,500 troops in South Korea as of 2004
From http://www.defenselink.mil/News/newsarticle.aspx?id=49631
WASHINGTON, April 20, 2008 – The United States will keep its current number of troops -- roughly 28,000 -- deployed to the Republic of Korea, President Bush said yesterday.
Not that it was really important but to give updated numbers.
Obama has made it clear he wants to pull all troops
Actually Obama only mentioned combat troops, over 50% off all US troops there now are non combat anyways. It will be virtually impossible to remove the support troops in a 16 month time frame. However since Iraq has been becoming increasingly more stable all the time, combat forces may be out by the end of 2009. Engineering corps, medics, transport companies, etc. will be there much longer. And at least some forces will remain for 10 years or more because we are leasing an Airbase there which will have to be manned.
McCain will be facing an extremely hostile Congress
This part I would have to disagree with you on my friend. McCain has very powerful democratic allies in the senate and house who would be more than willing to help him on major legislation. He has partnered with Ted Kennedy on numerous occasions just as an example.
that bond was the Republican Party.
Not relevant but I happen to like bond since I belong to the republican party. :)
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Comment collapsed by the communityJust about every newspaper in the country this morning is running editorials and codemmnation of the lipstick thing and this rotten ad. Time to tell McCain and his handlers how you feel about it. info@johnmccain.com.
Even if I was a supporter of John McCain I would be appaled at this misleading lie on a bill that did not pass anyway even though it was a bill that would educate kids as to the actions of molesters. Also the bill was an opt in for small children so people could teach their own kids if they saw fit. Are we to believe Republicans support the rights of child molesters?
Just to give you some insight on how dirty Roves Politics are here is what he and his cohorts said about McCain in the 2000 election. Are we going to decide this election based on issues or distortions?
Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain "The Fag Candidate." In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain "the fag candidate." Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed "even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn't hire openly gay people for his administration."
McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.
Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict."
Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain's Temper.
"A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons."
Bush Supporters Questioned McCain's Sanity.
"Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time."
Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain's Daughter.
Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a "black child." The McCains' daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains "are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter."
Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as "suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute," according to the New Yorker.
After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.
A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts, allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightower's involvement in a kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, including that "McCain may be unstable as a result of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam." (DMN, 12/2/99) After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH airport, "nose to nose" according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater had "harmed his reputation," Slater later noted. But according to one witness, "What was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain."
Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingold's Chief Opponent.
Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnell's effort to fight the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from McConnell on the issue, "sources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land mines."
Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.
College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCain's positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bush's Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCain's role in the S&L crisis.
Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.
Tucker Eskew, Bush's South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not "push polls." Eskew added, "Show me a baseless comment in those questions."
Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as "Manchurian Candidate."
"In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with 'the Manchurian Candidate.'"
Sampley Called McCain a "Coward" and a Traitor.
"Sampley… accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets."
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Hello again natch..
The saddest part of Biden "drunk driver claim" is the shame it puts on the driver of the truck and his family. He was not drunk, Bidens wife pulled out in front of him. Accidents happen. Although not his fault, the driver had to live with not only being in an accident that killed a mother and child, but of also being publicly accused of being drunk and at fault for the benefit of Bidens political motivation to evoke sympathy. That is just plain shameful. Biden should fess up and make a public apology to the driver and family.
Karen-471309 - "I don't understand why everyone tries to tie Bush and McCain together. From my observations over the years - McCain does not particularly even like Bush and disagrees with him on many issues."
Are you serious?????
I think it's funny how people talk about Obama supporters as being brainwashed or drinking kool-aid...
when in fact it's exactly the opposite...McCain has tricked people into thinking that just because he has voted with bush policies 90% of the time that he doesn't support his views...
Look at his record!!! GoP media is th #1 brainwashing group in America and you just bought into it...
put down the kool-aid Karen time to change the country from all this negativity...
Obama/Biden 08
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Karen471....
Did you read the article? I didn't think so.
Obama agrees with you on the parents' right to choose what their chilren learn and when they learn it. That is, written into the bill, there is an opt out right for PARENTS to pull their children out of any classes they feel do not fit into their personal, religious, moral beliefs.
I find it hard to believe, in this day and age, that parents do not want their children to learn what type of touch is inappropriate or that there are bad people out there who may want to harm them if they don't keep a safe lookout. That not teaching them sex.
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Oh and Obama's adds are not slinging mud? Come on folks this is getting emotional and off point. His adds remind me of the same tactic used in the Apple adds. Anyone who has used Vista just laughs but unfortunately the uninformed get taken by the approach. Has nothing to do with objective reality...its all a parody, stretching the true using language so crafted it is meaningless.
So I can't wait for all the responses from the MAC using Dems out there... Gotta ask how much you paid for that MAC? How much is the software at the Apple store... Extend this metaphor and you'll have the Obama presidency - high taxes and a government that is not compatible with anything meaningful...but it'll look good and all the users will gather around and sing songs together...
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The "sex education " issue is a distraction, although Obama did support a level of instruction that the Republicans are claiming, so it's not misleading, just poorly written legislation that, thankfully, didn't pass. The REAL problem with Obama's education policy is that he opposes a voucher system that, study after study has confirmed, leads to the greatest improvement for inner-city schools. Just throwing more money to the teachers unions without any accountability is a band-aid that will do nothing to address the underlying problem - accountability for schools and teachers and strong enforcement of school discipline.
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Karen is a good Republican in that when they distort the truth and run with it, she will try to change the subject or detract attention away from the fact that it's made up.
These are the same old tactics that Republicans have used time and time again, and it really shouldn't surprise anyone.
I'm just waiting until the Bush administration releases a several-month old video of Osama Bin Laden talking about attacking the US, and then claiming that Osama supports Obama.
It's lies and scare tactics.
Too bad that McCain will most likely get elected because of it since the majority of the US relies on sensationalism make up their minds for them.
Karl Rove perfected this stuff.
The most effective way for a country to change direction is the punish the party that set the direction for the past eight years. The Iraq War, Budget Deficit and Tax Plan are all Bush and Republican. McCain support all three directly or indirectly.
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In Great Britain and many of its former colonies, "judgement" is still the correct spelling; but ever since Noah Webster decreed the first E superfluous, Americans have omitted it. Many of Webster's crotchets have faded away (each year fewer people use the spelling "theater," for instance); but even the producers of Terminator 2: Judgment Day chose the traditional American spelling. If you write "judgement" you should also write "colour."
Well hello-again-ninny
You just don't give up do you ... you keep popping up like pimples on a wh-ores a--. Why don't you just go back to YouTube until you find something new, then 'cut and paste' it back here to show us how smart you are. By the way, I don't care if Obama was born on the moon. And, I don't care if he's black, white, red, yellow, green, or some combination thereof. Got it?
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Cholla,
why shouldn't they address it? Do you know the statistics of child molestation?
smelendez. God please go back to where to where you came from and take your dangerous anti american rhetoric with you. THIS IS AMERICA. THEY ATTACKED US YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!! For God sakes what is the matter with you??????????? I knew it was just a matter of time before some, I said SOME of the wacko right would start blaming OURSELVES for the actions of murdering terrorists! PLEASE Melendez, leave America to the Americans, and quite frankly, get the hell out. Proud Liberal. should have figured.
chilla:
Your comment is f*cking ridiculous. Everyone reading it should vote it as inflammatory.
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SERIOUS ISSUE!!!!
THIS IS WHAT YOU DO NOT SEE AND WHAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!!
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Now they are trying to hide their disaster and launching public relations campaigns about "human energy". The truth is Chevron's actions cause death, cancer, birth defects, miscarriages and the worst oil related destruction of the Amazon.
Their damage is estimate at up to $16 billion. Chevron can't hide its actions any longer and should pay up. Visit www.chevrontoxico.com to learn more and take action!
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SERIOUS ISSUE!!!!
THIS IS WHAT YOU DO NOT SEE AND WHAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!!
This is what american oil companies are doing over seas. What do you think they will do in Alaska???
Visit http://www.chevrontoxico.org/action.php?action=1 to SEND A MESSAGE TO CEO DAVID O'REILLY!
The largest oil-related environmental disaster in the world - Chevron dumped over 18 billion gallons of toxic wastewater in the Ecuadorian Amazon.
Now they are trying to hide their disaster and launching public relations campaigns about "human energy". The truth is Chevron's actions cause death, cancer, birth defects, miscarriages and the worst oil related destruction of the Amazon.
Their damage is estimate at up to $16 billion. Chevron can't hide its actions any longer and should pay up. Visit www.chevrontoxico.com to learn more and take action!
TV AD ABOUT THE AERIAL SHOOTING OF WOLVES AND OTHER WILDLIFE IN ALASKA
IMPEACH PALIN!!!!! THIS MAKES ME SICK!!! THIS WOMAN IS INSANE!!
TV AD ABOUT THE AERIAL SHOOTING OF WOLVES AND OTHER WILDLIFE IN ALASKA
IMPEACH PALIN!!!!! THIS MAKES ME SICK!!! THIS WOMAN IS INSANE!!
Thank you Proudliberal, this is the kind of information that should be on MSM I am passing it on.
Not fooled: No I think you're wrong! the tide is turning against the Liar-Obama! He is in full meltdown! He is turning into the buffoon that I always suspected him to be! The Obama camp has no solutions-energy-keep your tires inflated! LOL, Foreign policy-"talk" with our enemies, These are the same people that want to kill us! Yes, perhaps, negotiate, but with conditions and through lower level first! Economic policy-tax the rich, yeah, that's going to work! The very same people that employ us. They will just lay-off workers and raise prices-that will hurt everyone! His sex-ed stance is the same as any other Democrat liberal-teach the kids at school and to hell with what the parents want! Ultimately it's the parents responsibility! Not the schools! Oh, and I almost forgot, he thinks all students should learn Spanish! How preposterous, I used to be a teacher! We can't even get our students to read at grade level in English much less teaching another language! Once again, it's the parents responsibility, to teach students another language, and it should be a language of choice, not mandated by the government!
#3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:04 PM EDTSTOP ACTING LIKE AN OLD ASS BIGOT. get over it, if you think that knowing a different language other than english is "perposterous" then i know you have less of your life to live than me. you say you were a teacher before, was that before they require second languages for your B.A. or are you just an uneducated liar. either way your comment is pointless and inflammatory.
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Weren't the German's our enemy? The Japanese? The Russian's? We even fought the Brit's and several others. Have we not changed things by talking? Sen. Obama has said there are those we should talk to, some direct, some not. What else should we do? Bomb them? Attack them? If you actually bother to look up the facts you might find the truth. As far as learning a foreign language, I have not heard Sen.Obama refer to any one language, however isn't Spanish one of the fastest growing? As a teacher, former or current, don't you not think it is better to expect much rather than little? One of the things I was amazed at with a school we had in Alaska, it was a Japanese immersion school where all children started learning Japanese and using it in school daily. These children were experts in two languages by the time they were finished with elementary. And read in both. As far as the sex ed goes, the mccain ad deliberately lied about the legislation. There is no truth to what they are saying. Does that not make a difference to you? Do you really want people in office who will lie? Haven't we had enough of that? As far as taxes, have you read Sen. Obama's tax plan? Do you think that we who make under $250,000.00 a year should continue to shoulder more than our fair share of the burden? And aren't we losing jobs left and right NOW? The highest unemployment rate, NOW? What does it take for you to open your mind and see that the person with honor is not john mccain or sarah palin? They are lying. Who needs Christians like that? What happened to the 10 commandments that these so called christians always want to put on public spaces? Isn't one of them Thou shall not lie????
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I agree with much of what you say in your post. Sex education for young children should be handled by the parent. As I indicated earlier, most parents I know would have a fit if the school taught sexual material to their young child.
As to the comment on teaching everyone Spanish - that is ridiculous. I agree with you again we aren't teaching kids basics in many of the public schools. I heard that the Washington DC schools are so bad that only 12% of eighth graders are proficient at reading and only 8% of those same eighth graders are proficient at math. Now those are very scary numbers.
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SMelendez-395640
Tell me... How many people the terrorists have killed in america??? How many innocent children, women, men and animals your bombs have killed?? Hundreds of thousand!! and destroyed millions of lives!! So, tell me... who are the real terrorists?? YOU are!
Do you have any idea why they attacked us?? How would you like having muslims military bases on your borders?? How would you feel about that???
So, my advice, stop watching faux news!! it is all propaganda and lies!! and start educating yourself on the internet.. this is what the internet is for.
How would you like it if, a foreign country start drilling for oil in your country and leave tons of toxic waste on your land and pollute your water sources??? How would you feel about that??
because this is what your government and oil companies are doing in poor countries like Nigeria and Ecuador and who knows where else!! ecuador clean up cost 6 billion dollars... these companies of yours dump and leave without cleaning up their mess!! Now you wonder why they hate us??? Those poor countries have no armies to fight back so they will use planes as a desespate form of defense against the oppressors.
NOW DO YOU GET IT?? Fox news is all lies and will not tell you the truth and facts, of course not!
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SMelendez:
I used to be a teacher!
No wonder our education system is one of the worst in the industrialized world with people like you acting as the dispensers of knowledge to thousands of school children over a career. You don't know math (mathematically if the number of people estimated to have low air pressure in their tires remedied that situation, it would save as much gasoline as Obama said), history (Ronald Reagan sat down and talked to Mikhail Gorbachev face to face several times as Obama suggests we do with our enemies), economics (our economy grew at the largest percentages when the "rich people" were being taxed at a higher percentage than they are today), nor apparently English based upon the structure (or should I say lack thereof) of your post.
What, pray tell, did you teach and were your fellow teachers as well-informed as you?
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SMelendez-395640
You should always talk to your ennemy, this is called diplomacy!! Also, sometime your ennemy could turn into one of your best friend!!
The world are sick of the american bullies, do you undersand the word Bullies?? This is what this country has been for the past 8 years!!
Stop bullying the world and your ennemies will fade.
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Logdump, the kind of statement made when you cannot intelligently join the conversation. Your statement is meaningless without any kind of support.
Too Karen regarding the education situation in DC and other parts of the country which have not improved since Bush got his way on No Child Left Behind. Why no improvement, because sending money to support his neo con friends supporting the Iranian war was in his opinion and The whole republican party's a better way to spend billions of dollars. Why educate children when you can kill them instead, except however by abortion. This whole line of thinking is nothing more then a cover up for putting a lot of money in the hands of friends and supporters and keep it from the masses.
That is the bottom line to the Republican platform take it from the bottom give it too the top. Reversed Robin Hood philosophy.
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Oh yes...the Lies of the McCain campaign.
How about this one....Let us try this on for size.
Explain how you draw the conclusion that the tide is turning when they have not had one debate yet. After the Dem convention Obama took 9 point lead. Mccain has not even reached that plateau yet.
An increase in identification with the Republican Party after last week's GOP convention has reduced the Democrats' advantage in party ID from 11 points to 5. Typically, a party receives an image boost after its convention, but that usually subsides
The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Sept. 7-9 finds little substantive change in the structure of the race, with John McCain at 48% and Barack Obama at 43% among registered voters.
This has a two point margin of error which makes it a dead heat.
Usually after a convention the candidate gets his bounce the loses it after the polls settle down
When you look at the regionals in the east Obama leads McCain by 11 points
West he leads McCain by 7 points Midwest Obama by 6 points and the south McCain has a 12 point lead.
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SMelendez - I'm glad you aren't still a teacher, but I'm hoping you may be open to learning something. I'm probably just wasting my time here because, it seems, you get all of your information from McCain Campaign Ads? But, here goes...
1.) "Air in the tires" - the smallest selection McCain pulled from a list of energy-reform ideas of Obama's - and a few fools bought into it (but I'm not calling anyone out).
2.) "Talk to our enemies" - rather than rush into another country with guns drawn because of lies and false reports..... what a maniac!
3.) "Tax our employers and they will lay us off" - Obama wants the tax benefits to Corporations who send our jobs overseas repealed. And taxing the salaries of people making $250,000/yr or more is not going to cause them to lay us off, because...that would take away from company profits and....THEIR SALARIES.
4.) "tell hell with want parents want" - written into the bill, there is an opt out right for PARENTS to pull their children out of any classes they feel do not fit into their personal, religious, moral beliefs.
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hello-again,
Can you please stop cutting and pasting the same tin foil hat conspiracy over and over again? Either discuss a post truthfully or go away. This is not a post about whether or not he's a legal citizen and the theory that he's not a citizen has already been disproven anyway.
Camzilla,
While reading, math, etc should receive the focus of teaching, there is nothing wrong with teaching/learning a second language and in this global economy is very helpful. It is certainly more useful to students to teach them different languages than to teach them 'creationism', which should be taught in the churches that believe in it.
My quess is that you are one of the few spanish heritage that are willing to put your head in the lions mouth and mCCain is the Lion. He will use you and abuse you.
John McCain's allegation that "that Barack Obama favors comprehensive sex education for kindergarten students" is sheer vomitus, and exposes (surprise!) his desperate reliance on his hired hand, Karl Rove. McCain thunders worshipfully at Karl's feet, "Get me elected AT ANY COST, and you, my dear friend, Karl, will live forever free from contempt of congress threats!" How unfortunate that someone who once had a semblance of dignity and integrity will repeat a blatant, distorted lie to get elected. Only those who WANT to believe these mouthings of blind political hatred, Will do so. ENOUGH!
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Teaching sexual content of any type by the school/government to a five year is unacceptable. That is a decision that parents get to decide when their child is ready and how to approach it. He has to have a screw loose to even suggest it.
You are obviously commenting before you know the truth behind this new attack. He supported education for children to reckognize if they are being molested you ignorant fool! I really hope you are not a parent or I feel bad for your children!
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How would you know that he has a loose screw??? Have you talked to professional about this like a child psychiatrist? You don't know!
Yes I do know that he was directing some of the sex education toward predators if you had read some of my other comments. It is still a decision for the parents to make - they know when there child is ready, when they need that conversation and how they want to approach it. Parents should have the right to make this decision not the government. Just like I should have the right to decide on how to spend my money and I do a better job - than the government does or would.
Huhh? Karen are you nuts? Can you not read? go to Obama's website and read. Get some knowledge first before you start making these untrue statements.
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Since this was a large bill that was a bout sexual predators I imagine the republican party is opposed to teaching our children about them. Being as this bill did not pass and the ad is a distortion which is a nice way to say an outright lie just like the ones Rove spread about McCain for BUSH.
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Well said, Cynthia!
As for you, Karen, there is a reason that schools need to teach kids how to protect themselves against predators and not just trust the parents to do it, and it is because of the sad but true fact that most children who are molested aren't victims of some sleezy old guy in a back alley, but are preyed upon by people they know, like, duh, their parents! The ideal, of course is that all parents are good and will teach their kids the things they need to know when they know them, but that doesn't happen, because if they are not the abusers themselves, then very likely it is someone else close to the child such as another relative, neighbor, or family "friend." As a former victim of child sexual abuse, let me tell you, I would have loved it if my kindergarten teacher or some other adult had told me what was appropriate touching and what was not. Believe me, it would have saved me years of shame and emotional trauma.
As an early childhood educator, I believe that we as caring human beings have a moral obligation to protect our young, but how, I ask you can we do this if we as a society continue to hide our heads in the sand about the realities of our world? I believe that the current statistic for sexual abuse of children is one in five, and if they are girls, that number jumps to one in three by adulthood. And yes, I have gone into classrooms of young children before wondering who the one in five are who are silently suffering as I used to.
Here are some more facts about the long term trauma of sexual abuse in childhood. Victims, both male and female, are more likely to suffer low self-esteem, are at a greater risk of suicide, engage in risky behavior such as drug abuse, unprotected sex as teens and young adults, and crime. Also, boys are at greater risk of becoming abusers themselves, and girls are at greater risk of falling into abusive relationships as young women, and are also more likely to live in poverty as adults.
As, I said, it is time to wake up people to the world that we live in and stop deluding ourselves into thinking that childhood for all children is this magical fairyland and do our darndest to protect our children and break the cycle of abuse.
- 5 votes
Wait Karen,
So just wanting to have some sort of non-explicit thing in place to let kids know about innapropriate touching at that age(AGE appropriate being the key words there) makes someone have a screw loose?
As for the whole not having comprehensive sex-ed in our schools, well I have to disagree with that. Even in this modern age alot of parents don't know EVERYTHING, heck my parents didn't even give me that big of a talk about the birds and the bees. If I hadn't of been lucky enough to be in a school that taught comprehensive sex-ed at the beginning of high school looking back on it I would have been in trouble.
Not that I support Obama or anything, but I do see what he was trying to do there and I will readily admit that it was a good thing in my eyes. The fact that someone would take and turn that into a smear add that plays on a parents fears for their child just seems really low to me.
If Bush wasn't enough, I'm seriously thinking I'm no longer a republican heh.
Guess that leaves me wasteing my vote on independents.
- 1 vote
Oh yes...the Lies of the McCain campaign.
How about this one....Let us try this on for size.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with teaching young children about inappropriate touching. And, I am sure that many many parents assume that this type of activity woudl never happen to their child, but our educators know differently. Big difference in sex-education and predatory behavoir education.
- 2 votes
Apparently Karen cannot read the law that did not pass so she just spouts off
Karen:
It's an unfortunate fact that many cases of child abuse involve a relative, even a parent.
Most children are abused by someone they know and trust, although boys are more likely than girls to be abused outside of the family. A study in three states found 96 percent of reported rape survivors under age 12 knew the attacker. Four percent of the offenders were strangers, 20 percent were fathers 16 percent were relatives and 50 percent were acquaintances or friends. Among women 18 or older, 12 percent were raped by a family member, 33 percent by a stranger and 55 percent by an acquaintance.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/PUBLICATIONS/factsheet/fsabuse1.htm
Children need to learn about predators in school to defend themselves, because leaving it up to the parents opens a door for predators in the home itself.
- 4 votes
Illinois already taught inappropriate touching stuff to preschoolers. The bill Obama backed increased the teaching, to other grades too, but without guidelines. It left way to much open for teachers to interpret what was correct. The bill didn't pass.
For Obama to claim he is tough on predators he need to explain why he was the ONLY dissenting vote on Illinois bill SB485. He should have stayed home that day. Who's pocket was he in that he voted against that bill no one else voted against? He also voted against SB 2008 and HB 338, all tough on predators. Why?
- 1 vote
The facts of Illinois legislation SB 2267 - Responsible Sex Education Program
are available at
Rightly amused -
The records I found show that SB485 passed unanimously, Obama voted 'present', not against, on HB338 and I couldn't find a record for SB2008. Can you provide a link for that bill?
A fact sheet on this bill is available by a Google search of " Illinois legislation SB 2267 - Responsible Sex Education Program". (Hyperlinks are not permitted here, or there would be one.) There is NOTHING in this fact sheet or the attached text of the bill that supports McCain's political attack-hysteria. This would be laughable if there weren't so many partisan gullibles, who do not check the primary source, and instead rely on uncritical and eager grasping of "apparent fodder" for slinging merde.
- 1 vote
Karen-
Sometimes the parents ARE the ones doing the molesting!
I am not saying this about you, but in my career I have done a lot of social work with children and teens. I have found that the parents who generally object most to teaching protective anti-molestation awareness to their children sometimes are the ones who have something to fear....
After all, don't you want your kids to be protected from child predators? There are a lot of them out there, and a parent may not know at just what age they will appear. Doesn't it make sense to at least train a child about "good touch/bad touch so at least they know what is happening to them and can then let you know?
After all, you are not training them to HAVE sex, but rather how to AVOID that situation to begin with and to have the confidence to tell an adult they trust if something awful like that should occur.
Barack Obama keeps repeating that the American people are too smart to fall for Republican smear tactics. Really? Let's ask Michael Dukakis or John Kerry.
- 3 votes
#5 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:54 PM EDTJohn Kerry lost by 1 state. Ohio. And they are still scratching their head over that one. Since the guy who sold the republican sec of state the voting machine with no paper trail and those machine were prone to be easily manipulated by software and had no paper trail. Add to that the head of the company who sold them was Bush's campaign manager and said he was there to see that Bush got reelected. The smeel from that election is worse than the phoney one in Florida.
Money is the reason this election along with race is the only reason this election is anywhere near close. Big money who back Republicans fear the playing field will be leveled under a democratic administration.
- 1 vote
Truth means nothing in the McCain camp at this point. They can't win on issues so they will lie. So much for the great straight shooter. He is Bush's campaign second time around, and no wonder, with Karl Rove their to provide the lies just as he did for Bush throughout his presidency. McBUSH only offers 4 more years of dishonesty to the American People. He has shamed himself and it gets worse every day. I have totally lost respect for this man. At one time I called him honorable. If he is lying now, just wait until the White House. It will be McBush lying about wars, McBush lying lying about cover-ups of efforts to destroy intellegence persons at the advice of Rove. It will be lies about his efforts in national crisis, it will be lies about investments. We have had 8 years of lies and McBUSH offers 4 more. The next thing we will see is John McCain going to church with Palin...something he has done very seldom (by himself). What a crock this show has become.
- 5 votes
#6 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:59 PM EDTIt has been like this since Bush... It is all lies, manipulation of the uneducated and distortion, this is all they are good at.
Solutions to problems, NONE! The old republican party is long time gone..
The new party is a fascist party, nothing else! So like all fascists they manipulate, lie, and distorte.. this is what fascists do just like communists do... BRAINWASHING!! no difference between the two..
So if you have any intelligence or common sense left, think twice before you vote, because you won't have a chance to change your vote once this election is over.
- 3 votes
hello-again-naturally Comment collapsed by the community
Comment collapsed by the communityMccain started off trying to run on merits and he was a big failure so he went running to Rove. He is the same man without anything new to run on but his dirty tricks.
- 3 votes
Say it, brother! You are exactly right. And Sarah Palin is the same type of empty-suit wind-up Rovian robot...They are Bush/Cheney 2008, with Rove pulling the strings!
Obama has responded to "lipstick" charges. That's all the McCain camp will dredge up to avoid issues. They can't stand on issues.
- 3 votes
#7 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:00 AM EDTMc Cain/Palin like bush are unfit to govern this country..
True leaders do not waste pre election time talking about stupid things those two talk about. They talk about issues who affect our everyday lives and offers solutions to make our lives better!!
This is what Obama has been talking all along!!
Do you have any common sense left??
- 1 vote
Proudliberal,
They do when they cannot come up with a solution to the problem and still cater to their big money supporters, the religious right, the war mongers of the party and other fringe groups. What is good for the country, the world, the people, children etc just doesn't count in their book.
The people of the country are just the money machines of the country, that feed the takers of this country's insatiable appetite so they can do what they do with it, like wage war.
- 1 vote
DREDGE UP !!!! WHAT !!!!!! Dredgeing up requires looking in to the past and bringing up old stuff....the issues that Obama keeps getting hammered on....are things he said YESTERDAY or even the SAME DAY !!! there is no dredging...he keeps offering fuel for the fire on his own....sheeeeesh....DEMS ARE BLIND ! and DEAF when it comes to Obama.
I WANT THE TRUTH OBAMA !!! AMERICAN WANTS THE TRUTH !!!
- 1 vote
Last night he was on Letterman and the audience thought the whole thing was laughable on McCains part.
Is there no moderation for nuts like hello-again and their multiple bogus posts?
I wonder why people still try to say Obama isn't a citizen. What kind of idiots do you think are running the election system in this country? Do you think they would let a non-citizen put their name on the ballot?
That's just not even logical of you. Of all the conspiracy theories to focus on...
- 1 vote
The press must get off its duff and continue to expose the McBush campaign for the continues lies the put out.
- 3 votes
#8 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:02 AM EDTTHE PRESS NEEDS TO EXPOSE THIS !!!! THERE IS A LAW SUIT IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW TO REMOVE OBAMA FROM THE TICKET, YET YOU HEAR NOTHING....WHY !!!!
A lie about Obama ????
NO the Truth about Obama , he isn't a legal American Citizen , watch me and learn democrats....he isn't a legal citizen ! period !
Take a trip around to the major papers and news outlets you will see they are roasting him. This backfired big time. Up to now he has been leadin Obama in confidence ratings but he can kiss that goodbye.
"Flustered?" "Can't deal with the issues?" Senator Obama is continually giving speeches on the issues. It is the media, the bloggers and the McCain camp who bring up the non-issues. Obama just gave an in-depth speech on his education plans. Dive through the garbage being spewed out there and find the facts. Both candidates lay out their plans on their websites. I agree strongly with Obama's views and I hope those who support McCain have looked at the positions each candidate has taken, rather than at the ridiculous "you're a sexist" arguments and the other swift-boating.
- 2 votes
#9 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:08 AM EDTThe problem with all these Obama haters, they won't even checked the facts, because they are so brainwashed by Fox news and people like O'Reilly...
lets talk about O'Reilly and his hate of the french... Has he ever mentioned to you that the french have been in Afghanistan since the beginning of the war?
Has he ever told you that the french could have killed Bin Laden twice and were ordered not to??
Has O'Reilly ever asked you why? the Bush administration told the french not to shoot Bin Laden??
These are true facts people!! It was in the european press and I received confirmation of this from a General friend of mine.
Or did O'Reilly after bashing the french as he did was too embarrassed to tell you!! Of course, he would have prooven that he had been lying about the french mission in afghanistan, all along!!
hello-again-naturally Comment collapsed by the community
Comment collapsed by the communityThey are saving Bin Laden for our October Surprise, they know where he is just like the knew where the Iraqi leader was. They have known all along where he is and it is my strong belief that they had an agreement with the Sandi's not to kill him and they would keep him out of harms way.
That is the only explanation of why McCain is bragging that he knows how to get Bin Laden and he will get him. This fraud will cinch the election if they bring him alive and then Bush can pardon him on his way out the door.
Hello-again, Do you really think that some guy's You-Tube video of blury images amounts to a case that Obama is not a citizen?!?!?!?!?!
Don't you think the federal government, CIA, FBI, Secret Service, etc. would have been able to figure this one out by now?!?!?!?!?!
Wow!! You are a moron for even entertaining this idea.
- 2 votes
What a sellout. "Why Courage Matters". Maybe John McCain should go back and read his book again.
It looks like the Republican smear machine has done to McCain in 5 weeks what his captors couldn't do in 5 years.
- 1 vote
#10 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:14 AM EDTTo say he is distorting Obama's policy here is a monumental understatement!!
This is an outrageous disgusting 'willie horton type of smear ad attempting to portray Senator Obama as a sexual predator when in fact he was promoting 'age appropriate sex education'.
I used to work for the child assault prevention project to help put programs in schools that taught children about appropriate touch. Yes, it would be nice if all parents knew how to do this with their children but it most likely that they won't. This appropriate touch education is healthy and done in a very appropriate sensitive manner. I was also a preschool teacher in the inner city and while it is sad o think that a 5 year old child could be molested, it happens. Molested children are usually threatened by the predator and these talks often create safety for children who are beng molested to 'tell' someone.
McCain has proved by running this ad that he is completely dishonorable. He is a lowlife scum McCain is a perverted, lying, dirty old man unworthy of the presidency of the united states. He has lost his honor. Let's fight to help Senator Obama win this election so Senator McCain can go search for his lost honor.
I am sick of the lies, abuse of power, hypocrisy, and sleaze!!
Enough!!
Obama/Biden '08
- 4 votes
#11 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:28 AM EDTIllinois already taught inappropriate touching stuff to preschoolers. The bill Obama backed increased the teaching, to other grades too, but without guidelines. It left way to much open for teachers to interpret what was correct. The bill didn't pass.
For Obama to claim he is tough on predators he need to explain why he was the ONLY dissenting vote on Illinois bill SB485. He should have stayed home that day. Who's pocket was he in that he voted against that bill no one else voted against? He also voted against SB 2008 and HB 338, all tough on predators.
- 1 vote
Rightly amused-
Your statements are incorrect. Just because it appears on a Hannity blog, doesn't make it so.
- 1 vote
The serious matter is what McCain or Palin said, it is what the country needs. We don't have time to waste and we need no destruction of any type. Genuine country women/men should be outraged by the underhanded strategies used by the McCain and Palin campaign. I for one would like to hear what both Obama and McCain has to offer to tackle the cumulative problems inherited from the current administration. But unfortunately the republicans seem lining up for distraction than redemption. They should have played clean and right to correct committed mistakes and move the country forward. Encourage their candidate from making a mockery of their party and avoid the consequences. Their candidate is their creation nominated by rank and file of the party. The sad thing is, the party is cooking same soup with the same base but different seasoning. The out come is very predictable, same as the old one. Some are already have started running away predicting the disaster that will follow. Many have avoided attending the party convention. But now it is too late to correct. Their mess will be left in the hands of every body to fix. That is what happened with the Bush administration. We all have paid in money, blood and the diminished international prestige. So republicans are once again preparing us to go through the same practice. The time has expired for nonsense. It is time to call the pig, a pig. Enough for nonsense! Let us give a chance for our candidates a fair chance to focus on substance.
- 4 votes
#12 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:29 AM EDTEither John McCain knows his ads are ugly distortions and lies (in which case he is a liar) or he doesn't (in which case he is stupid). Does it really matter which it is?
And what's with this creationist, Palin? She wants us to believe that she's got the 'nads to stand up to the world's baddest bad guys if she needs to, but she hasn't got the guts to stand up to a few bad-ass press bullies at a couple of no-holds-barred press conferences or in-depth interviews where the beliefs that guide her life can be examined? What's she hiding? Could it be her ignorance of the facts?
Lipstick, indeed! You can dress up the party of Bush with a war hero and a pretty hockey mom at the head, but it's still the party of Bush, and a pig in lipstick IS still a pig!
- 4 votes
#13 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:30 AM EDTKind of like Obama's "lipstick" comment. Stupid? Lier? Or, with his bullsh"t excuses after the fact, BOTH!!!
HILLARY 2012. I can't blieve that I am going to vote Republican this year. But, that is the only way to get Hillary to run in four years. HILLARY 2012!!!!!
- 2 votes
... and that's NO BULL! Good post Bruce in Kissimmee.
McCain is loosing credibility and fast.
This is John McCain and I approve these lies.
- 3 votes
Joe, stop being silly. The Obama camp used the lipstick on a pig line to reference something McCain himself said about Hillary just last year!
Hillary is certainly free to run in 2012 if Obama loses. But if you were for her on the issues at all, why would you let anyone but Obama have a chance to get into the White House?
- 2 votes
Actually his comment was dead on. McCains policies are just warmed over Bush. These policies are failures. What he was talking about were these warmed over policies. They do not work. His comment was McCains BS lie about change. McCains Change is no change. Using the phrase change is putting lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. He continued If you wrap a fish in todays newspaper in 8 years it is still going to stink. But The paid republican trolls dont give you the second half of it.
Joe, you're going to vote for a man that used the lipstick line about Hillary's legislation and laughed when a constituent of his called her a bi^%h? With friends like you, Hillary doesn't need enemies!
How is it that you teach about sexual predators without explaining what these sickos are doing? The only real problem is that Obama voted for this legislation. It was poorly conceived, and it was when the stupidity of it appeared, that it never passed. But, that being true, Obama still voted for it, and is now trying to explain it away.
Kind of like trying to explain away personal attacks against Palin, as about McCains policies. Or explaining away Rezko helping buy his home, or how he never hears "god damn America" from the pews.
how come he needs to "explain" all of his actions or lack there of. How about spending more time explaining his redistribution of income (Marxist policies) that he has planned for America.
- 2 votes
#14 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:34 AM EDTWere do get your fact from? did you go to class or attend an untested group with Obama?
You are a shameful bluff with no substance. Grow up!
- 2 votes
Okay, let's examine this: you ca't teach about predators without teaching what they are doing?
DUH!!! Saying to a kid that when a person touches you in an inappropriate place that's bad?
Didn't you parents tell you that ever? You don't have to launch into a play-by-play of intercourse to make that point.
Geez.
- 2 votes
This thinking of sex being off limits just shows our narrow minded the extreme right is. Just look at what some of these so called religious leaders have done with the power of their position and the ignorance of their flock. They had their own a little supple of victims. This is just unacceptable in an educated population.
This philosophy of keep them dumb only plays into the hands of the predators.
How about the forrestal thing where McCain is said to have caused the accident that killed 132 sailors and his father covered it up for him?
How about his time in vietnam where he gave information to the viet cong for medical treatment.
How about the thing about mcCain losing 5 aircraft while in the Navy?
Look them up on the web.
Illinois already taught inappropriate touching stuff to preschoolers. The bill Obama backed increased the teaching, to other grades too, but without guidelines. It left way to much open for teachers to interpret what was correct. The bill didn't pass.
For Obama to claim he is tough on predators he need to explain why he was the ONLY dissenting vote on Illinois bill SB485. He should have stayed home that day. Who's pocket was he in that he voted against that bill no one else voted against? He also voted against SB 2008 and HB 338, all tough on predators.
Rightly amused, again your facts are wrong. See my post above on the bills you name. Plus there was an 'opt out' clause for parents that didn't want their children taught the sex ed curriculum.
You should do your own research instead of picking things up on the rightwing blogs or opinion media.
whats wrong with social policies??? I would rather my tax money be spent here...instead of on corporations like haliburton that are wasting my tax money(for selfish greedy needs) oh yeah what about one of mcbush's...ooops mccain strongest supporters...ABC-UNION BUSTERS highering illegals to do our jobs for less than minimum wage...wow thats what we call AMERICAN & your proud of that???? REPUBLICAN=TWO-FACED DEVIL
- 1 vote
I am beyond the out right lies of the McCain campaign. I am so tired of the bull, the fluff and the evasive tactics being used by them. I don't care about lipsticks or pigs, woman or man, I care about my health care, and why college students across the country can't afford to get sick. I care about whether or not I'll be able to afford a home and pay off my student loans. I care about whether or not there will be reliable alternative fuels to use in my life time. I care about whether or not my children will go to school in the same broken education system I did or if we will stop being blinded by these indignant politics and start to actually make change a reality. I'm tired of the third grade antics of the republican party. In this election its time for Adults to be adults and start talking about what really matters. If they can't do that then its time for real Americans to stop participating in their tom foolery and focus on the REAL issues in our lives.
- 5 votes
#15 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:51 AM EDTWell said. The amazing thing is I used to like McCain until he apparently sold his soul to the social conservative base and refuses to put forward any ideas on how to actually fix the country.
- 3 votes
Neocons are left wing Liberal extremeists. They believe in extreme social policies such as high deficits. They run the Republican party goin all the way back to Reagan. Thats why they are called Neo conservatives. The only conservative thing is protecting Israel and hating Russia and control of the middle east is their goal. Control of the Middle east is for two reasons. First to protect Israel. Second to deny russian influence in the region. Dangerous? You bet.
This McCain ad is quite possibly the most degenerative I have ever seen in politics! What kind of scumbag Father and Mother(Palin) does not want their children to know when they are being molested? There is no doubt that he sank an already "Jerry Springer" campaign to a new low. I never thought it was possible but man if you support this horrible ad you seriously have something wrong with you! I'm not even a parent and I would never criticize or "McCainize"(distortion of the truth) ANYTHING that involves the protection of our children from harm's way! I am at a loss of words of how a man that was once so respected could even do this!The gloves are off and the "Fixed News" way of distorting the truth for personal benefit has crossed the line of decency. Shame on you John McCain and shame on you America for letting this horrible attack go on! No father of two young girls would ever cross the line of sanity for political purposes to promote anything but an education for them to recognize if they are being harmed. I really question Palin and McCain's ability to be parents after this attack where Senator Obama was simply protecting the children. Shame on the media as well for not making this into what it is, a scummy, low ball, and downright lie on such a sensitive issue to anyone who is a parent!
- 3 votes
#16 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:58 AM EDTIt's a campaign run on personality. They've spent all year calling the Obama campaign a cult of personality when that's exactly what they are.
Just look at the news reels. It's all about "Obama Tackles Education" or "Obama Responds to Rumors". And it's only "McCain Camp Accuses [fill in the blank]".
- 2 votes
Parents should be the ones to educate their young children on molestation, and other sexual matters. The parents know when there child is ready and they should get to decide how it is presented. By indicating the government/schools should impart this type of information to grade school kids - that is stepping way over the line. Liberal or conservative - I believe if you took a poll you would find the vast majority of parents would be appalled at teachers presenting any type of sexual information to their young children. Obama knows that and that is why the ad is not a good thing for him.
So what about the part where parents can opt out of the program for their students. Perhaps you've been missing your recent PSAs that advise parents on how to talk to their children. The law, which by the way didn't pass, is set up to have a unified education of what sexual predators are and to have that talk with children that parents don't know how to. Parents who want that job are free to have it under the law, which by the way didn't pass.
Of all the things McCain and Palin want to keep you from doing or make you do, you're making quite a big deal out of something that you don't have to do, which by the way didn't pass into law.
If you had any doubts about Karen being a real true Republican this last post is proof, it is my way or the highway. The Repubs want everyone to live the way they say, but please don't criticize us for what we do. Preachers preaching against homosexuality, but practising it, preaching against adultery but practising it. It goes on and on. Hypocrisy
Just running an ad that points to one part of a very large bill is senseless. The fact is that this portion of the bill would leave it up to the parents if they wanted these kids to participate or not made it a good portion. There was no sex education. My kids went through teaching in catholic school about how to avoid predators in real life and on line. I sat in on one of them and found out it did not teach sex either way. It was based on how predators con kids to get close to them
I think a lot of people are missing the point in a way. The ad is not advocating child molestation or berating Obama for supporting a bill that looks to fight it. It is actually even worse than that.
The ad is taking extraordinary liberties with the factual components of the proposed legislation and implying it was something completely different than it was. It is saying that the proposed legislation wanted to teach actual sex education to Kindergarten students. It is an outrageous claim and completely untrue but, like so many of these smear tactics, it counts on evoking an emotional outrage from uneducated people.
Anyone who uses a bit of common sense would say, "Wait a minute, an elected representative actually wrote a bill that would have five-year-olds learning about sex in school? And other supported it? Wouldn't that be political suicide?" Of course it would. That wasn't the bill at all. So, an educated or even intelligent person should be offended that someone is trying to blatantly manipulate them through lies and misinformation. But, if there's one thing we've learned over the past eight years, there are too many people out there who will not think about it because they want so badly to believe it; no matter how ridiculous the claim may be (see Obama is not an American citizen).
And if the parent is the molestor, Karen....what then?
This ad is the same smear ad run by Alan Keyes when the Republicans were desperate to beat Obama in the Illinois race. It was debunked then, too.
McCain is apparently against protecting children from predators now.
McCain. Pedophiles First.
- 3 votes
#17 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:07 AM EDTI have lost all respect for John McCain. I think it's time we really tell it like it is. McCain never grew up. He was always a screw off. He was a screw-off at Annapolis (finishing third from the bottom in his class). As a matter of fact (I'm not quite sure who said this), someone during the RNC convention said while at the Academy that not only was McCain a troublemaker, he was the leader of the troublemakers! Isn't that wonderful! That type of officer is just what this country needed at the time! Then, before he went to Viet Nam, he crashed three planes while practicing. What a pilot! And who knows what happened on the Forrestal, but he was right there on the deck when it happened. And finally, as a man who should have been experienced in bailing out of airplanes (reference to the three planes he lost before the war), he broke both his arms because he forgot to pull them in when he was shot down.
I would honor his service to his country, but the lies and distortions show him to be both dishonorable and dispicable. If this country elects him, I will yell at the top of my lungs "G_D D__M THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Because the country I was brought up in and loved no longer exists.
- 3 votes
#18 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:15 AM EDTNo this is no longer the country I came to 25 years ago... I no longer like it!
For your info, John MC cain sold his fellow soldiers out and many died because of his cowardness. He is no hero! He is a traitor, a coward, a profiter and a lier.
MC Shame is not fit to run this country and do not deserve this honnor.
- 1 vote
It was Fred Thompson who gave the story about McCain and described a real loser. It was suppose to be funny, but it described Pecks Bad Boy and then said he was just the guy to run this country. This is pathetic and scary because he has so many people who will vote for this loser when we have a chance to put someone in the white House who can pull this country out of the mud.
Proud lib, you've only been here 25 years? Are you from a socialist country? That would explain alot. Did you like it 25 year ago? If you no longer like it, or cant change it to fit your mold, you can go back home.
- 1 vote
Proud liberal....I knew it. I just knew you were some immagrated ass that has probably taken every advantage in this country and now has nothing positive to offer it. Your other posts say...you want to leave this country. Please pack your bags and go....now!
Your other posts says you do not believe in God, he is a "myth". Please pack your bags and go...now! You are an arrogant even ass...nothing more. i did not serve this country nor does m,y son serve now to protect perople like you. We serve for something you would never understand. Please get the hell out now....and when you die...yoou will see if God exists or not. Odds I believe are not in your favor you idiot.
- 1 vote
Yes, the wide eyed liberals and their media never question that 90% of blacks will vote for Obama becouse he is black. If any significant number of whites would vote against him in that number, discrimination would be claimed. They also freely talk about McCain's age and for that reason citizens should not vote for him. Last time I looked age and race discrimination was equal under the law. As long as it is socially liberal, abortion, sex education for little kids, providing condoms for kids, he naturally be for it, even providing the suction tubes. But all is for not, this election will be based on race, just too many americans who wouldn't trust Obama to throw him.
- 2 votes
#19 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:54 AM EDTNever mind the fact that 90% of blacks voted for Kerry, and I do think he is a white man. Reality is black voters have been voting for the Democrats for quite some time now. And Obama isn't fully black. He's multi-racial, with his American heritage being white, and was raised by a white parent and grandparents.
- 3 votes
I know his background, fact I knew and even bought insurance from his grandfather here in Hawaii in 1972. He may be 1/2 white but decided years ago(probably when a Community Organizer) that he would never discuss being other than black. This election will turn on race, so he can choose whether he goes back to the Senate or Chicago as a commuity organizer.
- 1 vote
I am a white female but I sure understand why Black voters would vote for Obama.. He represent the values of all decent americans and why should blacks vote for another lier?? What has Bush done for Black americans????? NOTHING!! He killed them during Katrina!!!!
I am sick of liars, thieves and criminals!!
So, yes, I support their vote for Obama.. and before leaving this country, I will go cast my vote for Obama!
- 2 votes
Now who's spreading lies? Bush did not Kill Blacks during Katrina. Governor Blanco would not allow the national guard in, Nagain did not attempt to evacuate in time. Please leave now and vote absentee....
- 3 votes
For your information, he hasn't always had 90% black support. He only had about 60% at first. It wasn't until after Iowa that the rest joined him. We don't support him because he's black. He has black supporters because we like the issues he tackles and the way he tackles them. Also, when it became clear that white people might actually vote for him, he became a candidate that was more than a throw away vote like Jesse Jackson back in 84.
I know how hard it is to attribute original thoughts to black people. But in a race where there is only one all-white ticket, according to your thought process all the white people will be voting for McCain.
Blacks have been voting democrat since Franklin Roosevelt, before that they were all republican. Clinton got 85% of the black vote, Gore 83% and Kerry over 90%. It's nothing different.
...And in case they are voting just because, you can't blame blacks for supporting another african american when 50 years ago it was impossible for a black to even use the same toilet with a white. I'm am a 57 years old white woman, a whole life republican who is voting for Obama/Biden.
Paul to begin with I am a white woman. Given the choice I have between a Black man with intelligence, hope and plans or a white man who is liar, loser, and hypocrite I am going with the first and that is why I am voting for Obama.
- 1 vote
"And in case they are voting just because, you can't blame blacks for supporting another african american when 50 years ago it was impossible for a black to even use the same toilet with a white."
You absolutely CAN! What does 50 years ago have to do with today? Vote for a black man because before you were alive people other than you couldn't use the same toilet as a white...is that what we want to teach the youth of today, that level of ridiculous racism and forced segregation? When a black man or woman votes for another black person because of something unrelated to today, it is WRONG, plain and simple, on every level. You definitely can blame them if they choose to vote so immorally, to waste a vote on something unrelated to what the candidates will actually accomplish; you can and you should, those who do so should be called on the disgraceful act they're making. Blacks voting for a black because he's the best choice, now THAT'S the right choice, same as blacks voting for a white because HE is the better choice. But voting because of skin color and the treatment from the past that doesn't even represent any candidate on the table? Absolutely not, blame them and make sure they know that we do not support that high level of racism in today's society. That's what we should be doing at least.
What has Bush done for Black americans????? NOTHING!! He killed them during "Katrina!!!!"
Where'd you get that bull from? Federal aid was sitting there before the hurricane even passed by, but by all legal restrictions they cannot move without a green light from the LOCAL government (by the way, a local BLACK government in this case). And to make it even worse, when they finally gave the green light over a day late for Bush to send in people, they took all the aid money and have wasted it. Enough money has been pumped into the local government there to bulldoze the entire city of New Orleans and rebuild it from scratch more than six times, this being more funds than EVER provided for a disaster relief, even those of the past that were significantly worse. Rebuild it six times, but do you see the money anywhere within the local Democrat controlled government? Bush killed black Americans? Wrong! Black American politicians killed black Americans during Katrina, a corrupt black Democrat controlled government killed them, while federal aid was forced to sit there and wait, and once they finally were given approval, the majority of aid money disappeared into the robes of these immoral thieves. Just look at the tsunami that killed over a hundred thousands in Asia just a couple days after Katrina hit here. Their local government pitched in, along with the people who actually lived there (who in this country for the most part sat there and watched, this seen personally as I was a volunteer for a week there, working my butt off while people sat in lounge chairs and drank beers, whining that their homes were only being built as before and rooms weren't being added and such for free), and they rebuilt from destruction more than three dozen times what we saw here, rebuilding everything with only a portion of the funds we've fed to the Louisiana government.
If you really want to blame the people responsible, and not make a wild accusation as far from reality as you can get, blame the local government in New Orleans (but in doing so you lose the ability to blame white people for everything). You also seem to ignore the fact that white people in New Orleans received no better treatment than the blacks, it wasn't a black only town, making your entire accusation racist and entirely moot. A primarily black local government controlled by the Democrats killed WHITE AND BLACK people from Katrina, THAT'S the facts and not your accusation.
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Beck I must disagree with you. I don't know if racism is always the right word to use. We use racism as a catch all term for what really is discrimination and prejudice. In this country I believe there is more prejudice than anything. To dismiss the history of blacks in this country by saying the past is irrelevant is a misstep. In fact, understanding ones history is a good reason to vote in a particular way. Why vote for a party that doesn't have any of your interests at heart? If there's one thing Blacks learned during these last few elections its that the Bush administration did not serve the needs of not only their issues, but has completely ignored the growing diverse populations of this country. To me this is reason enough to vote with a party that you believe will take this country in a new direction. Most blacks aren't voting for Obama because he's black in fact he's faced criticisms because some framed him as not being black enough. Blacks vote as Democrats and for the party that has given us the freedoms we enjoy today. And before you respond yes I know the Lincoln was a republican, but it's hardly the same republican party of today.
Here we have a story and article we are suppossed to be discussing that doesn't even mention "race" but here we are again, beating this subject to death for no reason.
Who brought up the race issue again? A Republican (or maybe just an Anti-Obama person) and they do it everytime on these boards.
All I hear is righties screaming about reverse racism.
What is the easiest way to avoid a stigma (and a childish way of handling it and a logical fallacy)? Accuse the other party of the same thing.
"No, I'm not a butthead, you're a butthead!!! So nanny nanny nu nu!"
And I hear this all the time:
"Obama supporters ALWAYS play the race card when someone says they aren't voting for them!!!"
The truth is, I never hear them say that. Can we drop this now? The only people going on about it still are Republicans.
This is a canard. Black voters have always supported Democratic presidential candidates in overwhelming numbers. Will some this year vote for Obama because he is black? No doubt, but (a) it will be an insignificant number relative to the total number of voters and (b) voting *for* a candidate because of his skin color is a far cry from voting *against* a candidate because of his skin color.
Whites comprise 77% of the electorate; blacks 11.6%. Anyone who thinks that there aren't a significant number of whites who will vote against Obama because he is black is naive. However, this is much less troubling than the McCain campaign's overt strategy of appealing to them. The wolf ad -- which is anything but subtle -- is just one example.
- 1 vote
Isn't that rather hypocritical since you folks vote for people just because they say they're good Christians and put Palin on the ticket just to get Christian female votes? Pot...kettle...
- 1 vote
Karen--wake up!! As a former school teacher in the state of Illinois, I can tell you that ANY type of material that even hints at anything sexual (including the "What Happens to a Girl" & "What Happens to a Boy" animation flicks about the onset of puberty--shown specifically to all girl or all boy audiences) has to have a signed consent from the parents!
Of course, the legislation you speak of is a moot point, since it didn't pass in this sex-obsessed-goody-two-shoes environment the Republicans promote with abstinence education, etc. If I can't see it, it doesn't exist! The really scary part of parental consent is--often it's the parents or their live-in pseudo-spouses that are doing the molesting!!! 'Great way to protect your kid, Karen!
- 3 votes
#20 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:08 AM EDTThis is the reason why so many are turned off by politics.
The republicans muddy the waters and take the focus off of the real issues.
The issues that make them such a terrible party for the middle-class worker.
Republicans? Why are you all so brainwashed? Why don't you vote for the best person for the job? Why don't you take a look at the economy and decide who will be better for you and your family?
Oh and by the way, if you think it wasn't planned to have Palin's interview on September 11th as well as her son heading off to Iraq on the same day, you are blind.
All Planned to make her look better than she is.
I feel sorry for her son. Heading to Iraq with no plan in sight.
Who knows, her son might vote for Obama so he can come home.
- 1 vote
#21 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:19 AM EDTRepublicans? Why are you all so brainwashed? Why don't you vote for the best person for the "job?"
Ummm, I'm Republican and AM voting for the best person for the job. You know, the one with the best policies, not the best promises. Let's compare just a few policies shall we, free from moral issues that are state issues and not related to a federal position.
Poverty - McCain: mix of social assistance and work incentives. Work opportunities for those who have the ability, thus providing a resume to use to apply and work up and out of poverty. Now what is the end result of this? More people leave poverty, more are therefore able to contribute in taxes. Those taxes thus are used to provide social assistance to those who cannot work. So we have MORE people who are in a position to contribute to the LOWERING number in need. As populations increase, there will be less in poverty and more able to contribute.
OBama: reduction of work incentives to focus on social assistance as the primary. Fewer work opportunities, thus more stuck in poverty, so as populations grow, less will be able to contribute to the GROWING number in need. Feed and shelter those in need, but give no opportunities to ever be worth anything more, forcing a reliance on that government assistance. No opportunity to live a middle class life, simply receiving bread crumbs and a kick back to the curb. Obviously McCain is the winner on that issue, so with poverty already in existence he wins the vote (a Republican work program is what saved me, I was living out of a car until their programs offered me a chance to build a resume which let me claw my way up until I could afford a decent apartment and work on my own).
Outsourcing (to keep from making this too long I'll focus on just one of several issues here) -
McCain: readjustment of the corporate tax rate (currently at 35%, the single highest in the world and more than double that of the second highest). Base it on profit margins, taking into account costs, so that a percent of available funds is taken instead of taking a flat percent without regards to final profits or economic situation. Our high corporate tax rate is the single greatest contributor to the outsourcing problem, as oftentimes that rate alone takes more than a company has left over after cost, forcing them to seek a nation that doesn't take as much, which means they can pick from any nation in the world as we take the most.
Obama: maintain the same harmful corporate tax rate that creates such an outsourcing problems, and then compound the problem by INCREASING tax for those making over $250,000. So now we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world taking money without regards to corporate costs, and topped off by business owners and high level employees paying even more out of their incomes, further reducing any benefits to those profits. The ONLY possible end result, higher costs with continued outsourcing. What happens here, is that compensation is needed to adjust for the growing rate being taken, to account for income percentages taken from the rich (who are paying a much higher percentage already than the rest of the country). To make the corporate rate and income tax more bearable, costs are increased, which hurts the poor and middle class. This is just the initial reaction. From there, less people will be purchasing products, as less can afford to, which hurts businesses even more. Now jobs are not only outsourced, they must be cut completely to account for the additional government costs. So we have businesses selling less product, cutting jobs, pushing for greater outsourcing, and increasing prices.
Again, Obama fails gloriously on this front. Voting for the best person for the job would be basing a decision on THESE issues, not on frilly promises. You want to discuss being brainwashed, how many believe Obama when he claims to be able to reduce outsourcing, even as his policies prove that he will bring the opposite? THAT'S being brainwashed.
This is where Obama truly fails the most...he ignores 100% of long term consequences. As you can see with raising the taxes on the rich, he ignores the way this influences everything else, giving no regards for economic timing. The "sticking it to the man" idea gets the people riled up and eager, but it ignores what actually happens when you do this, and how it comes back and bites everyone else. So the true question here, why are YOU so brainwashed, why are so many Democrats so brainwashed? Why don't YOU vote for the best person for the job. Ignore fluffy white promises, ignore speeches not even written by ANY candidate, ignore ads and speeches and interviews....and try looking at the actual policies for once. Ignore who wrote what and read the policies, decide which are harmful and which are beneficial, thinking about ALL short term and long term implications to EVERY financial class and how it all comes around, and then see who wrote what to find out who you REALLY support based on what they will actually do, and not on what they will promise. Republicans brainwashed? Two examples above to prove how wrong this is, and I can provide more than a dozen others, from Obama's energy policy problems, corn ethanol corporate problems and wasted subsidies, reduction of Republican incentive policies that would provide voices for people to create new technologies and thus new jobs and better energy sources, tax policy problems, and major trade problems. I'd love to know how THOSE issues make Republicans brainwashed, when the policies all speak for themselves. Clearly, you're one of the brainwashed, claiming to vote for the best person for the job without even obviously knowing the policies of the candidates.
- 1 vote
First of all I haven't heard any plan by McCain to provide these jobs that are suppose to get people out of poverty. I have heard him sing the praises of the trade agreements that have moved millions of jobs from this country.
I have heard how he is going to give more tax breaks to the same groups that have taken the jobs out of this country.
I have not heard from the McCain Campaign one good plan yet on how to deal with the housing problem, except him and his new sidekick says they are going to make Freddy and Fanny smaller and more effective. Not how just words.
Then we go to the war, his plans are to keep us in war so his neo-con friends and money people can make more money at the expense of every citizen of this country. Using the youth of this country that we need to rebuild America to put their lives on the line for money and money changers of this world.
The basic difference between you and me my party and yours is that I believe that the whole country should benefit from its government and you believe let the top of the income bracket have all the wealth and they will trickle it down only before it gets down it will be in off shore banks.
A vote for McCain is a vote for a giant step to Fascism.
sad point is they can only win this way. Their policies are all failures and they have no idea how to correct their mistakes.
Karen--
This isn't the 1950's. This world is dirty and gritty. Kids at that age are a huge target for sexual predators. And this is where you are thinking inside your little box. Think about those kids with terrible parents who don't teach their kids about sex.
That's what I dont get with some of these people...including you Karen. You think how will this affect your children and you don't realize that it might positively affect some other kid who you dont know.
By the way, this is a world where young YOUNG teenage girls are getting pregnant.
Its 2008, WAKE UP!
#22 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:29 AM EDTKaren, have you read this?? Obama want the kids to reconize a sexual predator. He has 2 young girls himself... Of course he wants to do good for all american kids... EDUCATION HAS TO BE DONE AT A YOUNG AGE.
To say he is distorting Obama's policy here is a monumental understatement!! This is an outrageous disgusting 'willie horton type of smear ad attempting to portray Senator Obama as a sexual predator when in fact he was promoting 'age appropriate sex education'. I used to work for the child assault prevention project to help put programs in schools that taught children about appropriate touch.
Yes, it would be nice if all parents knew how to do this with their children but it most likely that they won't. This appropriate touch education is healthy and done in a very appropriate sensitive manner. I was also a preschool teacher in the inner city and while it is sad o think that a 5 year old child could be molested, it happens. Molested children are usually threatened by the predator and these talks often create safety for children who are beng molested to 'tell' someone.
McCain has proved by running this ad that he is completely dishonorable. He is a lowlife scum McCain is a perverted, lying, dirty old man unworthy of the presidency of the united states. He has lost his honor. Let's fight to help Senator Obama win this election so Senator McCain can go search for his lost honor.
I am sick of the lies, abuse of power, hypocrisy, and sleaze!!
Enough!!
Obama/Biden '08
#24 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:15 AM EDTEducation should be done by the PARENTS not the state. Obama and his wife want to indoctrinate young people in to socialistic ways.... Check out Glen Becks web page.
- 2 votes
And if you read the bill that didn't pass it says it's up to the parents to decide if they even want their child taught this material. So he would have given every parent in america the abillity to choose for themselves... FREEDOM!!!!! WOW!!!! What a concept!!!!!
- 1 vote
"And if you read the bill that didn't pass it says it's up to the parents to decide if they even want their child taught this material."
We must be reading different policies of his. The one I read states that it would be a mandatory requirement in schools. So I guess it would be up to the parent if they decided to home-school the child. Otherwise, it wouldn't.
- 1 vote
Hey kid,
It is apparent you are a home school advocate. Public education enable everyone to get an education and learn about the people different from themselves that they will have to commingle with when they become adults.
I have four very productive children all of whom came out of public education and they are an asset to this country.
Sex education should only be taught in the home by parents...
How did that work out for your VP candidate?
Cheap shot, I know. But saying Obama supporting this legislation is akin to him supporting teaching five-year-olds how to have sex is OK?
The people on this blog are discussing the actual merits of this proposed legislation - that is fine. The McCain camp is not. They created a TV ad that completely misrepresents the proposed legislation to intentionally smear the other candidate. That is beyond a cheap ploy; it is out and out lying. This ad is a microcosm of what is wrong with political campaigns that manipulate and misinform. Every time this tactic works, a little piece of our Democracy dies.
Beckwolf, there is an opt-out for parents included in the bill. So we are either reading different ones or you didn't read the entire thing.
- 1 vote
Obama is not saying teach sex ed to 5 years old.. So please check your facts. Sex ed bill was written to teach 5 year golds about INAPPROPRIATELY touching. Conversation that most should have with the kids on where someone should and should not be touching you. Those thing need to be taught at home an in school if funded. Its all about how you present the material in class. I you are not in the education field then you clearly do not have a clue. As we all know parents now a days are NOT parenting. Prime example Palin... NO sex ed in school, teaching her kids to wait now daughter is expecting.. Sounds like her way of teaching at home did not work for her. Maybe she needed to spend more time on what area her daughter didn't need to be touched.
This race is far from over. MacCain and Paling are playing dirty. So dirty that they wont even allow her to travel with out MacCain... COMPLETE DISTRACTION.. off the issues.
Alaska has the highest drop out rate in the country and lead the way on rape and incest. Ha. crazy ...
- 2 votes
#25 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:21 AM EDT"Obama is not saying teach sex ed to 5 years old.. So please check your facts. Sex ed bill was written to teach 5 year golds about INAPPROPRIATELY touching. Conversation that most should have with the kids on where someone should and should not be touching you."
Just inappropriate touching, eh? I have to ask, have you actually read any of the bill, have you even SEEN it? Or are you making an assumption and speaking as if it's true? I would suggest reading the bill itself BEFORE giving an opinion on it, as your assumption is wrong.
Inapprorprate touching from adults wouldn't involve duscussing things such as masturbation, nor would it involve discussing homosexuality (which I have NO problem with personally but it isn't a topic for a five year old in the context the bill suggests), nor would it involve a discussion of anatomy, nor with how that anatomy comes together to instigate the act of sex among a man and woman, woman and woman, and man and man.
Saying, don't let adults touch you like this, it's inappropriate, is FAR from this policy that discusses not touching, but the whole act of sex (hetero and homosexual), the whole act of masturbation, and the anatomy involved. No, the bill was NOT written to teach five year olds about just inappropriate touching. I strongly suggest reading the policy, and THEN you'll actually have an informed opinion instead of an assumption that happens to be way off. All children should be taught to say no to adults, that inappropriate touching needs to be avoided and if an adult tries, the child needs to tell someone immediately. Unfortunately, this policy doesn't even go into that, it almost wholly ignores teaching to find someone if an adult tries to touch them, instead FOCUSING on sex ed, despite your claims to the opposite. Read the policy, ignore the candidate who wrote it, just read it free from that bias and assumptions already built up, and build an informed opinion based on the real facts.
- 2 votes
Beckwolf:
Have you read the bill? Neither masturbation nor homosexuality are mentioned in it. Nor anything about anatomy, nor about the act of sex.
It even mentions in several locations that: "(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate."
- 1 vote
Dirty minds vision dirty things. The word sex send some people crazy.
Beckwolf, your claims are ludicrous and can be disproved by reading the bill or by checking out the debunking of your smears on snopes.com.
Kind of makes you wonder why Beckwolf doesn't want kids to know about inappropriate touching. Is there something he's hiding?
That is what the bill was about. The ads from the republicans are the most vicious of lies.
Beckwolf- right from the bill
"14 (2) All course material and instruction in classes
15 that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or
16 behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate."
ENOUGH OF YOUR SPIN!
- 1 vote
With the 'age appropriate' and 'developmently appropriate' material being decided by the unabashedly left wing public eduction system. The public schools have devolved from institutions of learning to liberal indoctrination camps and left wing social engineering labs. It won't take long for some 'enlightened thinker' or 'fellow traveler' to decide that explicit sex ed needs to be taught to the k through 6 grades.
The bills are always written vaguely to allow for this type of scope-creep. If the wanted to write a bill that dealt with teaching K-6 grades about inappropraie touching only, they could easily have done so. They chose to not do so. Typical open the door in the name of the children and keep incrementally pushing more changes through it while no one is looking.
90% of Blacks will vote for Obama. As a black republican let me inform you as to why. McCain is losing our vote, we have not forgotten his stance on the MLK Jr. holiday. He led the fight to stop it and Arizona was the last to recognize it on the state level. In 2000 McCain was against the confederate flag on the South Carolina statehouse until he realized it was going to cost him conservative votes. He then flip flopped and said it should fly because it was "southern heritage". It IS his "southern heritage": his family was slave owners in Mississippi and fought for the confederacy ( William Alexander McCain, Company I, 5 Regiment of Miss Cavalry, died in battle in 1863). Don't make the mistake of thinking Blacks are just some uneducated and uniformed monolith, we are looking at issues, statements, character and past deeds just like everyone else.
- 1 vote
#26 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:36 AM EDT"we are looking at issues, statements, character and past deeds just like everyone else."
And yet you use his ancestors as an example, proving that you are NOT looking at HIS deeds, showing the very problem with the decisions many blacks are making in their votes that so many are stating. Voting on things unrelated to McCain, voting on color, voting on slave owners long since dead that say nothing about the opinions of those alive today. You prove that you are not simply looking at the issues, at the same time you claim that this is how you vote. Your own statement is a contradiction unto itself. You blew it with the comment about his family being slave owners (his family long since dead). You proved that you vote on issues unrelated to the candidate, basing your decision at least in part simply on skin color and family history, a horrible way to choose someone to lead the country.
- 1 vote
Beckwolf,
Again with the double standard, it is OK for the Republican/McCain to use Obama's name, his heritage and black background against him. In fact it is OK for them to invent things that are not true.
Beckwolf:
I think Carl's post may have been a bit complex. He paraphrased McCain's reasoning behind changing his views on flying the confederate flag and then pointed out that a blanket "Southern Heritage" only incorporates one segment of said heritage. He then noted that McCain's personal heritage falls under the one he said the flag represents. It is understandable that a black man would not see pride in the Confederate flag.
In reading Carl's post, I understood it as an explanation that black voters have reason to believe McCain does not represent their collective best interests beyond the color of his skin. I thought he made a valid point. If an African-American candidate held the same views as McCain, I trust he would say that he doesn't support that candidate for the same reasons.
To put it more simply: Carl (I believe) is saying that to dismiss the black vote as merely racially motivated is, well, simplistic, and inaccurate.
I'm a white southerner and I think McCain's heritage has a great deal to do with him voting against the MLK holiday and his view on the flag. I also find it ludicrous for him to have claimed that he never knew his family owned slaves when he cast that vote.
I asked my father about our history when I was a kid, the minute I was taught about the Civil War in school. To think that a man whose family still lives on the plantation and displays the family uniforms never asked if they owned slaves is beyond comprehension. Either he lied about that, too, or he has absolutely no intellectual curiosity. Either trait is undesirable in a president.
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